I saw a couple of references discussing Project Treble which all seem to agree that only phones which ship with Android 8.0 "Oreo" would be able to take advantage of Project Treble. The ones that did not won't be able to - not even when the non-8-shipping phones are themselves upgraded to Oreo.

Why is that the case for phones that will get Oreo 8 upgrades?

What's missing from those phones that the Oreo updates for them wouldn't support Project Treble? I was under impression that it was purely a software architecture, not some dedicated hardware.

In other words, why wouldn't releasing Oreo based firmware for the phone automatically make it into a Treble phone?

The Pixel and Pixel XL are the only existing phones that will be able to use Project Treble's features, but phones shipping with Android 8.0 or later will have full access. We hope they take advantage of it! (AndroidCentral)

Oxygen OS on the OnePlus 3 and OnePlus 3T was upgraded to Android 8.0 Oreo the other day, and both the OnePlus 5 and OnePlus 5T are due for an update in early 2018. That’s mostly good news, but sadly, none of OnePlus’s phones will support one of Oreo’s headlining features: Project Treble. In an AMA on the OnePlus forums, OnePlus confirmed that the OnePlus 3, OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 5 and OnePlus 5T won’t get Project Treble support (XDA)

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Yes, project treble is a software architecture update but there are few things to consider.

Q. What is the real reason for Android fragmentation?

A. One word answer is silicon vendor's kernel source.

They start developing the hardware almost 2 years before the commercial launch so the source is based on an Old Linux kernel version. As the silicon company is interested in developing new chips instead of supporting 2-year-old chips, they do not update the source for new Android release. Hence no device OEM can update it to the new version.

Google has done many efforts to resolve this issue. One is extended long-term support releases of Linux kernel (6 years instead of 2). Another effort is to provide silicon manufacturers a Vendor Test Suite (VTS) similar to CTS(Compatibility Test Suite). Now silicon vendors only have to develop source once which is compatible with VTS guidelines and Google will ensure that it will work with further updates. So vendors will not update previous chips according to VTS but upcoming all of the chips will be treble supported (hopefully).

So fragmentation is solved this way?

Wrong. Because this is only one of the cause of fragmentation. There is one more that is modifications done by device OEM and carriers. Treble is not a solution for these problems. The only solution is to stick to a pure stock android but no OEM is doing so. OEMs are not interested in porting their changes to every device because it needs a lot of work so they only work for their flagship devices. In the case of one plus, Snapdragon 835 is treble supported but I think they lack the workforce to port oxygen OS to next releases for old devices.

In a nutshell, Google has done the part to fight fragmentation now it depends on device OEMS.

I hope the answer helps.

EDIT(One Plus):

For One Plus refer this post

However, because partitions were not required of Android N and previous versions of Android, all of our current devices do not feature a partition. According to our tests, if we were to modify the partition layout via OTA there is a risk that devices will brick during the partitioning.

In a nutshell, The main problem for one plus is that project treble requires different partitions for modularity of OS which was not the case before Oreo. As One Plus 5 as well as 5T were originally shipped with Nougat, they are not partitioned according to treble. Partitioning via OTA update can brick the device so they are not doing it.

Normal users want all the apps and data saved while updating which is very risky while partitioning via incremental update. You can do it with clean wipe but no OEM will do this as average user does not want treble at the expense of losing all the saved apps and data.


Phones shipped with nougat has only one partition i.e. system but for treble, vendor partition must be different from system and partitioning from ota update is not a good idea for companies.

  • Sorry, -1. As you yourself noted, silicon vendor for OnePlus is already Treble supported (it uses standard 835, same as Treble-supporting new Google Pixels), so this seems like that is emphathically NOT the reason for phones like OnePlus 5/5T. Moreover, " port oxygen OS to next releases for old devices" is also explicitly wrong as per the quote, as both 5 and 5T WILL be upgraded to Oreo. The answer may have been true for phones that don't ever get 8.0, but the question is specifically about phones that will get 8.0 anyway
    – DVK
    Nov 22, 2017 at 13:58
  • @DVK I am also shocked after hearing that they are not supporting 5 and 5T. Snapdragon 835 is a chip which is released before releasing of treble so I think Google made snapdragon to update its source according to treble but most of the devices are based on the previous source. So for supporting treble they have to do work again for Oreo release with treble updated source and they don't want to do this. It is my best guess in this matter still I respect your decision of downvote. Nov 23, 2017 at 5:11
  • I have edited the post with relevant information for one plus. Dec 7, 2017 at 10:18
  • -1 definitely removed :). If you elaborate a bit (from the source you linked) to make the answer fully understandable without reading the ilnked article, I will gladly upvote and accept.
    – DVK
    Dec 7, 2017 at 14:25
  • I will add the relevant information soon. Dec 8, 2017 at 10:56

Project Treble requires the OEM to put Android OS and vendor-specific in two different partitions. Most phones that are originally shipped with Nougat or lower do not have separate partitions for /system and /vendor (it's a symlink to /system/vendor).

Your statement is wrong. AFAIK Huawei Mate 9 series and P10 series will support PT after upgrading to Oreo. OnePlus refuses it because they don't want to push OTA packages that modifies the device's partition table. Same for [HMD Nokia].

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