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I tried

https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb

I also tried

https://droidusb.com/download-lana-download/adb/

but that seems to be the same thing

and the google page tells me to go to device manager and "other devices", I turned USB debugging on and that helped as then it showed under Other Devices.

It says MTP

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So I went to settings..developer tools..usb configuration, and I switched it from MTP to PTP but it still sees MTP in device manager.

Is there some option I should be choosing that I haven't chosen yet?

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